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xDusT II · Nov 21, 2008, 12:35 AM // 00:35

The Earth Shaker Dragon Slash debate is pretty silly. It really comes down to mob analysis. Usually there's two types of enemy groups in PvE; large amounts not very threatening enemies or smaller groups containing larger individual threats. In hard mode, and especially in late game areas, the latter category becomes much more pre-dominant and hence it becomes more preferable to deal with enemies one at a time so the highest threats are removed faster.

AoE is fine for NM or softening up a mob but it quickly loses it's effectiveness when you really need to focus your damage on specific targets.

-Lotus- · Nov 21, 2008, 01:10 AM // 01:10

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Originally Posted by beserk

1. [eviscerate] is mentioned on the op not [triple chop]

2. Not when my sab nec is running [splinter weapon]

1. igor wrote the op, anyone with a brain knows [Triple Chop]>[eviscerate] in PvE

2. what your necro is running has absolutely nothing to do with the damage output of your skillbar. a triple chop or earthshaker warr can be a platform for SW as well.

_Nihilist_ · Nov 21, 2008, 03:21 AM // 03:21

[[Triple Chop] or [[Earth Shaker] Warrs shouldn't be carrying [[Splinter Weapon (PvE)]. It requires too much investment to be useful, an investment that the Warrior should be putting into Strength.

I'd rather have a Rit tossing [[Splinter Weapon (PvE)] on me rather than wasting time trying to use it on myself, hell, I'd rather have the Necro tossing it on me, for that matter.

Bobby2 · Nov 21, 2008, 04:42 AM // 04:42

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Originally Posted by beserk

10 energy for an IAS thats slower than [flail] ? No thanks

[battle rage]r moves twice as fast as a [flail]ing War. I'm a sucker for IMS.

-Lotus- · Nov 21, 2008, 05:38 AM // 05:38

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Originally Posted by Tyrael_Eveningsong

[[Triple Chop] or [[Earth Shaker] Warrs shouldn't be carrying [[Splinter Weapon (PvE)]. It requires too much investment to be useful, an investment that the Warrior should be putting into Strength.

I'd rather have a Rit tossing [[Splinter Weapon (PvE)] on me rather than wasting time trying to use it on myself, hell, I'd rather have the Necro tossing it on me, for that matter.

reading comprehension ftw? try that again...

Rhamia Darigaz · Nov 21, 2008, 04:57 PM // 16:57

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Originally Posted by Tyrael_Eveningsong

[[Triple Chop] or [[Earth Shaker] Warrs shouldn't be carrying [[Splinter Weapon (PvE)]. It requires too much investment to be useful, an investment that the Warrior should be putting into Strength.

I'd rather have a Rit tossing [[Splinter Weapon (PvE)] on me rather than wasting time trying to use it on myself, hell, I'd rather have the Necro tossing it on me, for that matter.

you see, being "a platform" for splinter weapon doesn't mean putting splinter weapon on your bar. it means having splinter weapon cast on you.

Super Igor · Nov 21, 2008, 07:51 PM // 19:51

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Originally Posted by -Lotus-

1. igor wrote the op, anyone with a brain knows [Triple Chop]>[eviscerate] in PvE

lol nice joke!

srsly triple chop is crap and imamazed nobody commented on your post before. [eviscerate] > [triple chop] no matter if you play pve or pvp, claiming otherwise just shows how bad you are.

also read the heading, manlyness, if triple chop is manly interwebs broke.

-Lotus- · Nov 21, 2008, 09:57 PM // 21:57

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

lol nice joke!

srsly triple chop is crap and imamazed nobody commented on your post before. [eviscerate] > [triple chop] no matter if you play pve or pvp, claiming otherwise just shows how bad you are.

also read the heading, manlyness, if triple chop is manly interwebs broke.

when you first joind i thought you were someone making a joke that wasn't that funny. this has been going on long enough that im begining to think youre serious...

_Nihilist_ · Nov 21, 2008, 10:33 PM // 22:33

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Originally Posted by -Lotus-

2. what your necro is running has absolutely nothing to do with the damage output of your skillbar. a triple chop or earthshaker warr can be a platform for SW as well.

The bolded part is what my response was aimed at countering, -Lotus-. Since you so nicely put that an Earth Shaker or Triple Chop Warrior can be a platform for Splinter Weapon, but before, you said that his Necro's bar didn't matter, it appears that since you said the other players' bars in his party didn't matter, you expected him to carry Splinter Weapon himself. That is the logical train of thought in following your exact wording.

I don't need reading comprehension, you need posting clarity. Don't post conflicting comments and still try to defend your right to conflict your own advice.

Double standards don't work.

Rhamia Darigaz · Nov 21, 2008, 10:42 PM // 22:42

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Originally Posted by Tyrael_Eveningsong

The bolded part is what my response was aimed at countering, -Lotus-. Since you so nicely put that an Earth Shaker or Triple Chop Warrior can be a platform for Splinter Weapon, but before, you said that his Necro's bar didn't matter, it appears that since you said the other players' bars in his party didn't matter, you expected him to carry Splinter Weapon himself. That is the logical train of thought in following your exact wording.

I don't need reading comprehension, you need posting clarity. Don't post conflicting comments and still try to defend your right to conflict your own advice.

Double standards don't work.

he was saying that the necro's bar is irrelevant when comparing warrior builds because earthshaker and triple chop wars can be splinter weapon platforms; there's no point comparing 3+5 and 4+5 instead of 3 and 4 when both numbers can be platforms to the added number 5.
your assumption that what he said implies that the warrior should carry splinter himself is unfounded. so in fact it is your reading comprehension and logic that need fixing.

edit: added that last sentence containing buzzwords such as "reading comprehension" and "logic" to make my argument more convincing.

legacyofkain85 · Nov 21, 2008, 11:05 PM // 23:05

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

[battle rage]r moves twice as fast as a [flail]ing War. I'm a sucker for IMS.

imagine [battle rage]changed to a skill insted of stance like [warrior's endurance]was changed that would be nice hehe

-Lotus- · Nov 21, 2008, 11:44 PM // 23:44

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Originally Posted by Rhamia Darigaz

he was saying that the necro's bar is irrelevant when comparing warrior builds because earthshaker and triple chop wars can be splinter weapon platforms; there's no point comparing 3+5 and 4+5 instead of 3 and 4 when both numbers can be platforms to the added number 5.
your assumption that what he said implies that the warrior should carry splinter himself is unfounded. so in fact it is your reading comprehension and logic that need fixing.

qfet

(e=epic)

beserk · Nov 21, 2008, 11:56 PM // 23:56

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

gtfo, [earth shaker] > Guild Wars imo
Seriously, aoe kd is what makes you win pve,[ nothing more like keeping baddies on their butts for the entire phucking battle.

While that may play true for most NM mobs, you seem to forget your mindless tactic doesn't work too well in HM.

You seem to only play mindless NM content then, I like to go where the big boys are...HM where enemies tend to kite, have a range of prof which makes it pretty much impossible for you to AOE KD the ENITRE mob you engage, you seem to be fighting mobs consisted entirely of melee running into your party (seems like that's what you're used to since you seem to get the whole mob down on their butts).

For me Dslash > your elites for the simple fact that in HM I can take down a higher enemy threat within any given mob much faster and with precision as opposed to a messy AOE KD where your targets aren't focused like they are in my case.

Now go play some HM then post here.

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Originally Posted by xDusT II

The Earth Shaker Dragon Slash debate is pretty silly. It really comes down to mob analysis. Usually there's two types of enemy groups in PvE; large amounts not very threatening enemies or smaller groups containing larger individual threats. In hard mode, and especially in late game areas, the latter category becomes much more pre-dominant and hence it becomes more preferable to deal with enemies one at a time so the highest threats are removed faster.

AoE is fine for NM or softening up a mob but it quickly loses it's effectiveness when you really need to focus your damage on specific targets.

This is someone who knows what they're talking about.

_Nihilist_ · Nov 22, 2008, 12:11 AM // 00:11

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Originally Posted by Rhamia Darigaz

edit: added that last sentence containing buzzwords such as "reading comprehension" and "logic" to make my argument more convincing.

Check back. -Lotus- started the whole "reading comprehension" one-liner.

The topic is getting derailed, glad you two have swollen e-peens.

Super Igor · Nov 22, 2008, 12:27 AM // 00:27

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Originally Posted by -Lotus-

when you first joind i thought you were someone making a joke that wasn't that funny. this has been going on long enough that im begining to think youre serious...

Well when Ive wrote you wineliner it looked like a joke, but no, you were serious...

Tell me then how crappy energy-based [triple chop] build is better than [asuran scan][eviscerate][executioner's strike][body blow] warrior or how can it compete with MS/DB damage-wise?

Anyway, not that warrs are any good for dealing a lot of damage in pve, they are loved for [earth shaker] and damage is usually done by assassins all the way. If they are going to deal damage though, its gotta be [eviscerate] or [warrior's endurance] if you want aoe but no way [triple chop].

ALF71BE · Nov 22, 2008, 12:34 AM // 00:34

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Originally Posted by xDusT II

The Earth Shaker Dragon Slash debate is pretty silly. It really comes down to mob analysis. Usually there's two types of enemy groups in PvE; large amounts not very threatening enemies or smaller groups containing larger individual threats. In hard mode, and especially in late game areas, the latter category becomes much more pre-dominant and hence it becomes more preferable to deal with enemies one at a time so the highest threats are removed faster.

AoE is fine for NM or softening up a mob but it quickly loses it's effectiveness when you really need to focus your damage on specific targets.

I don't think so.

In later HM explorable areas, such as Morostav Trail, Rhea's Crater, Joko's Domain, Sacnoth Valley, etc, there is a number of mobs with 5+ foes. Disabling an entire mob (because that's what KD'ing does, 100% disable), or most of it, is more efficient than the process of killing one while letting all of their allies do their job and damage you/your allies.

Now I think you don't know about AoE > PvE. Of course, for HM, you need true AoE, such as MoP or SW. An ES is therefore a platform for your allies to use that, while at the same time you won't cause scatter through AoE KD. It isn't always possible to find the mobs all balled up and sometimes it requires a little more brain to pull properly and trap in a corner, but when you do, it's better.

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Originally Posted by beserk

While that may play true for most NM mobs, you seem to forget your mindless tactic doesn't work too well in HM.

Actually you require a little more thinking to ball up and properly keep on their backs the mobs than just doing 123 D-slash.

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You seem to only play mindless NM content then, I like to go where the big boys are...HM where enemies tend to kite, have a range of prof which makes it pretty much impossible for you to AOE KD the ENITRE mob you engage, you seem to be fighting mobs consisted entirely of melee running into your party (seems like that's what you're used to since you seem to get the whole mob down on their butts).

1.- The only mobs that do a barely decent kiting are the pure healing/prot monks, which are very rare.
2.- The arrange of professions is the same than in NM.
3.- It's not impossible. Corners > PvE.

Bobby2 · Nov 22, 2008, 01:39 AM // 01:39

Anyone still +1ing on Triple Chop should take WE Scythers for a spin some time... jeez

Chthon · Nov 22, 2008, 03:02 AM // 03:02

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

Anyone still +1ing on Triple Chop should take WE Scythers for a spin some time... jeez

Please enlighten me. What exactly is so great about a WE Scyther?

Silversword22 · Nov 22, 2008, 03:04 AM // 03:04

I know somebody's said this already, but it just doesn't make sense that the warrior's the one spamming [save yourselves!] since he's the one up front eating all the damage

. It seems more logical that someone else in the party should be the one doing the shouting so that the warrior's actually benefiting from it. With that in mind, I vote for [earth shaker] over [dragon slash] in most PvE.

Teutonic Paladin · Nov 22, 2008, 03:45 AM // 03:45

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Originally Posted by Chthon

Please enlighten me. What exactly is so great about a WE Scyther?

350 Damage AoE Crits in NM, they look wonderful.